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Let's talk about God, baby

Some questions and a theory from marysiak

1. How do you relate to your parents or parental figures?

2. How do you relate to your friends group?

3. How do you envision your God? How do you feel about him and how does he feel about you?

(If you do not believe in any God you can answer by describing what you think God would be like if he did exist)


1) I had/have very emotionally intense relationships with both my parents. My mother loves me but is anxious and possessive and doesn't know how to leave well alone. I suffered a lot of abandonment in my childhood by both parents, in various ways, so although my bond to them both was full of mutual love it was also deeply troubled and both of my parents had too many wounds [physical and emotional] of their own to really be or know how to be a proper parent to me.

2)I have an excellent friends group and I love my friends. I have an inner circle of friends whom I am very close to, who love me a lot and whom I love and beyond that a wider circle of people I am not emotionally close to but whom I consider interesting and whose company and conversation I enjoy.

3)Even though the God I believe in is entirely without judgment or gender, the more personal face of that God I relate to is male. I love God and I believe that God loves me and thinks I'm great. I suppose more than anything I relate to God as my friend, as I'm not particularly worshipful or reverent and while the relationship between God and me can be very profound, at other times its more like light banter.


And a poll about God [a discrete bucket provided for rhodri in case the subject matter makes him nauseous]

Poll #509447 Deisms and Theisms

Do you believe in God/A Higher Power

Yes
13(30.2%)
No
17(39.5%)
Undecided
8(18.6%)
Other
5(11.6%)

Do you consider yourself religious?

Yes, I'm Muslim
0(0.0%)
Yes, I'm Christian
3(6.8%)
Yes, I'm Hindu / Sikh
0(0.0%)
Yes, I'm a Buddhist
0(0.0%)
Yes, I'm Pagan
1(2.3%)
Yes, other not mentioned above
0(0.0%)
Yes, for I worship chocolate!
0(0.0%)
I am not religious, but I am spiritual
12(27.3%)
I don't know, I'm agnostic
9(20.5%)
No, I'm an atheist
16(36.4%)
Other
3(6.8%)

One God or Many?

There can ever be but One God
11(28.2%)
Polytheism all the way, baby
7(17.9%)
No Deities at all thanks all the same
21(53.8%)

Have you ever had something you consider a spiritual / religious experience?

Yes
15(34.9%)
No
17(39.5%)
Unsure
8(18.6%)
Shopping for Shoes is like a dance with the Divine
3(7.0%)

Do you believe in a Devil, or Hell?

Yes
2(4.5%)
Yes, and this is something I feel so strongly about that I shall elaborate in the comments
0(0.0%)
Yes, it's the Home Office
6(13.6%)
No
29(65.9%)
Unsure
7(15.9%)

Do you have Faith in a Higher Power?

Yes
5(11.6%)
Yes, but I question it
7(16.3%)
I used to, but not anymore
5(11.6%)
No
19(44.2%)
Unsure
7(16.3%)

Do you consider yourself to be a special and unique snowflake?

Yes
12(28.6%)
I'm a Leo, it goes without saying
2(4.8%)
Only when somebody loves me
6(14.3%)
Sometimes
8(19.0%)
No, I'm just the random firing of synapses
7(16.7%)
I'm but the humble olive in your dry martini
3(7.1%)
No, I'm nobody special
4(9.5%)

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internetsdairy
Jun. 9th, 2005 10:42 am (UTC)
Don't think anyone would consider themselves the random firing of synapses - that would just produce the mental equivalent of TV snow. Perhaps you mean something else?
rainsinger
Jun. 9th, 2005 01:13 pm (UTC)
A lot of synapse firing isn't random of course but to do with conditioned learning and response. Mostly it was a light jibe at neuroscientist and the completely reductionist approach to the problem of human psyche and spirit - that that which I consider to be my unique snowflake spirit is mostly just the end-product of the neural connections within me and their firing [whereby my moods are just the sloshing of my internal chemicals at any one time, produced by that synaptic activity]
casaubon
Jun. 9th, 2005 01:38 pm (UTC)
Well, I believe that I am a product of my experiences, genes and brain chemistry.
But that does not mean I am not a unique snowflake.
internetsdairy
Jun. 9th, 2005 01:38 pm (UTC)
If physical processes can result in billions of unique snowflakes, why can't physical processes result in billions of unique minds (or spirits, if you like)?
chiller
Jun. 9th, 2005 10:47 am (UTC)
Gawd, I had to put "other" for everything, so I didn't answer the ones that didn't have "other" on the end of them. I don't believe in some fat bloke with a beard who lives in the sky. And I actively think all organised religion is evil. I'm not superstitious.

But beyond that, I think everything is god and the whole of everything represents the "omnipotence" and "omniscience" people imagine embodied in some floating dude, or dudes. We're all god in my view. Reality is just us peering at all the bits of ourselves or our whole through a veil we call "space/time", which makes it look as if all the components are separate.
bluedevi
Jun. 9th, 2005 11:37 am (UTC)
Your 'beyond that' is beautifully put. That's pretty much what I believe as well.
chiller
Jun. 9th, 2005 11:58 am (UTC)
Thanks. :)
shelbydee
Jun. 9th, 2005 12:56 pm (UTC)
Oh, hi! Almost exactly like me and I call it pantheism ;)
rainsinger
Jun. 9th, 2005 01:15 pm (UTC)
I think everything is god and the whole of everything represents the "omnipotence" and "omniscience" people imagine embodied in some floating dude, or dudes. We're all god in my view. Reality is just us peering at all the bits of ourselves or our whole through a veil we call "space/time", which makes it look as if all the components are separate.

That is indeed beautifully put, and I'm not just charmed because it's a good reflection of my own belief system ;)

It's an excellent thought, beautifully articulated.
strange_powers
Jun. 9th, 2005 11:15 am (UTC)
I'm an atheist, but I do believe in a higher power - kind of an innate, unwritten law of human behaviour and nature and science that guides and directs us. I am entirely convinced that this does not come from a Creator or God, but from the natural order of things and the basic decency of people.
verlaine
Jun. 9th, 2005 07:01 pm (UTC)
I'm sure a lot of us have the same basic thoughts on these issues, but managed to give completely different answers in the polls. I believe in God because I believe the natural order of things and the basic decency of people *is* God, more or less. And I put myself down as a Christian because that's my family's tradition and I basically endorse the moral concepts, though I have nothing to do with the organised aspects of religion.
sera_squeak
Jun. 9th, 2005 11:31 am (UTC)
I'm an undecided! I was brought up as a Christian and went to church but, as many people do, I began to question the whole thing as I grew older.

I definitely believe in "something" but I'm not entirely certain who or what that something is and I'm right at the beginning of trying to work this one out for myself.
miss_newham
Jun. 9th, 2005 12:10 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure if lapsed Christian and agnostic come to the same thing - I want ticky boxes!
rainsinger
Jun. 9th, 2005 01:18 pm (UTC)
Argh yes, I should have gone with tickyboxes, but the damn thing allows not for the editing of polls. There should probably be a rule about creating them before the complete wakeness of my brain.

But in the absence of tickyboxes... you can draw a pig
casaubon
Jun. 9th, 2005 12:24 pm (UTC)
If you do not believe in any God you can answer by describing what you think God would be like if he did exist.

Looking at the evidence, he'd be a bit of a bastard.
Or a nice fellow without the ability to actually do anything helpful.
shelbydee
Jun. 9th, 2005 12:50 pm (UTC)
I'm the closest to being pantheist, so it was difficult to give answers to certain questions, because of nature of pantheism.

Also, naming. I have some kind of faith but I wouldn't call everything that exists God or Higher Power. I chose "one god", because I believe in unity.

And in addition to the last question : "Yes, like anyone else" :)
rainsinger
Jun. 9th, 2005 01:22 pm (UTC)
And in addition to the last question : "Yes, like anyone else" :)

Hehehe, yes it's a great paradox.
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rainsinger
Jun. 9th, 2005 01:19 pm (UTC)
Re: "I believe that God loves me and thinks I'm great"
The glory that is my f-list is divinity manifested.

*blows kisses*
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casaubon
Jun. 9th, 2005 01:39 pm (UTC)
Re: *looks up divinity on answers.com*
So, she's calling us nuts.

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casaubon
Jun. 9th, 2005 03:02 pm (UTC)
Re: speak for yourself nutboy!
Maybe I'm corn syrup.
tomatorama
Jun. 9th, 2005 02:05 pm (UTC)
I'm an atheist. Douglas Adams put it better than I ever could, he said something along the lines of I do not just believe there is no god, I am convinced there is no god.
(Anonymous)
Jun. 21st, 2005 10:08 pm (UTC)
Evidence
If you see no evidence that God exists, what evidence to you have that he doesn't?

Look in the mirror. Stare into your own eyes for just a few seconds and then ask yourself: Is this amazingly complex human being staring back at me merely the result of random chance?

If you answer NO to this question, then you believe in miracles. If you answer YES to this question, then you too believe in miracles. Because if all this (the universe and all it contains) were just one big happy accident, then that my friends would be the biggest miracle of all. I'll take my chances and bet that an intelligent creator is behind it all.
tomatorama
Jun. 21st, 2005 11:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Evidence
Basically, yes I am convinced that the amazing complexity of the world is by chance, but not only chance. Evolution takes care of the rest. That's not a miracle. If you believed that Earth was the only planet, then that would be rather astonishing. But there are countless stars and planets, the chance of life on one of them, or some of them, is pretty good. Evolution seems pretty obvious to me and I do not wish to explain it currently to somebody completely anonymous. May I ask why you are anonymous by the way?
(Anonymous)
Jul. 1st, 2005 07:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Evidence
What's so obvious about evolution? Yes, you can see things change over time, but that's something entirely different than life beginning from nothing, or life beginning from something other than life.

I have another question for you: Was Jesus a lunatic? Or a liar? Or was he telling the truth? I think if we can answer the question as to who Jesus was the rest will naturally be revealed.

BTW, I am anonymous simply because I don't wish to create a user account. You can call me Jim.

guihong
Jun. 9th, 2005 03:50 pm (UTC)
I believe there is a "God", or higher being than us. We can't be the end of the line, the top of the chain. I don't believe in a God who is intimately involved with every detail of my life, but I do believe in sort of a fount of wisdom, love, and goodness to tap from as needed, and always available. To me, God doesn't have a gender, or judgement, or even much of a form. Maybe God is in everything, rather than in a place called Heaven. Not sure.

gui
nanji
Jun. 9th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
the universe is made of string
1. How do you relate to your parents or parental figures?

They contribute to my experience of life. They are like other humans, precious, unique and part of an even greater family.


2. How do you relate to your friends group?

My close friends are my army of superheroes. We each have a super strength and united, can do anything.


3. How do you envision your God? How do you feel about him and how does he feel about you?

"God" is interchangeable with "everything that is". I am a part of everything. God is my parent, my child, my friend and my enemy. The universe(s) itself is a physical expression of God. God creates, enacts and further permeates EVERYTHING. Whatever you choose to call that - is what I call God.
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