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verlaine
May. 10th, 2005 06:35 pm (UTC)
You'd think all the Serbian and Irish women would emigrate to somewhere like London, wouldn't you?
rainsinger
May. 10th, 2005 06:37 pm (UTC)
oh I don't know, that little tractor cage looks pretty cosy. Perhaps if I ever get disenchanted with the motorcycle I'll suggest to Z he invest in one ;)
failmaster
May. 10th, 2005 07:32 pm (UTC)
Ooh, what motorcycle? </motorbike-geek> =)
rainsinger
May. 11th, 2005 11:00 am (UTC)
it's Z's motorcycle so I've no idea what it is exactly, but I'll ask him.
All I have retained is that it's a Kawasaki and it's a very beautiful blue colour. ;)
concordantnexus
May. 10th, 2005 08:14 pm (UTC)
Huh - I lived in Iraq as a child in '80-'81. The men and boys would ride in the airconditionned front of the pickup truck and the women and children would ride together with the sheep in the back.

hoshuteki
May. 10th, 2005 08:19 pm (UTC)
I don't know, isn't it flattering? In my (imaginary) world, men do the heavy-lifting stuff because they think women are Weak and Incapable and Cannot Be Trusted. You know, those women probably said, no no I can carry this myself, you eejit. Or something. Still, that Albanian chap. So unconcerned. He wins for me.
webofevil
May. 11th, 2005 09:32 am (UTC)
> In my (imaginary) world, men do the heavy-lifting stuff because they think women are Weak and Incapable and Cannot Be Trusted.

Nothing imaginary about it. The flipside of "Let me get that door for you", "I never swear in the presence of ladies" and "Go and make yourself pretty, dear" was always "Don't worry your pretty little head about it", "Of course women can't think logically", "Ah, the weaker sex", "What do you mean, 'the right to vote'?" etc.
rainsinger
May. 11th, 2005 10:47 am (UTC)
Yeah, I agree mostly. There is certainly a way of patronising women, and rendering them into ornaments incapable of fending for themselves.

On the other hand, even though it may be a slippery slope, I don't find all of it offensive. e.g. physically I'm not as strong as a man, and I like the fact that the men in my life by and large volunteer to do the heavy lifting without making a song and dance about it. It's not mandatory when a guy opens a door for me, or pulls my chair back, or pays for drinks/a meal but it's nice when they do because it shows an element of care. [just as Z is fully capable of making his own damn coffee in the morning, but it's an element of me showing care that I do it].

There is definately a way of doing things for somebody without insulting their intelligence, or disrespecting them or making them incapable.
webofevil
May. 11th, 2005 11:41 am (UTC)
> There is definately a way of doing things for somebody without insulting their intelligence, or disrespecting them or making them incapable

Exactly. And it rarely involves cages and tractors.

Incidentally, due to a combination of poor eyesight and speed-reading, I misread "pulls my chair back" as "pulls my hair back", i.e. when you're being sick. As a definition of modern chivalry that's surely hard to beat.
rainsinger
May. 11th, 2005 11:51 am (UTC)
maybe the cages are for the vicious grandmothers who attack people on public transport

As a definition of modern chivalry that's surely hard to beat.

hhahahahahahahha. too right!
webofevil
May. 11th, 2005 12:15 pm (UTC)
> vicious grandmothers who attack people on public transport

In the words of the estimable (but friends-only) </a></b></a>missfairchild, when confronted with similar public transport unpleasantness:

"My condolences on the loss of your manners."
dubaiyan
May. 11th, 2005 11:03 am (UTC)
Albania
totally wins for me too
ninetimestodie
May. 10th, 2005 09:01 pm (UTC)
Mr Albania... you reckon he threw the cig butt behind him when he was done?
rainsinger
May. 11th, 2005 10:48 am (UTC)
if he did, I hope that
a) he didn't set his wife on fire
b) or expect her to pick it up
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